Six Smart Women Discussing Doctor Who

It’s time once again for something we love! Join Deb, Erika, Katrina, and Tansy as we discuss a story Erika loves, “Nightmare of Eden”. From sets to costumes to performances to ideas, this colourful procedural pushes many of Erika’s happy-buttons.

Are you a fan of this story? If so, why? If not, why not? Let us know in the comments!


Also covered:

  • Tansy is watching Spaced with her kids!
  • Kat is excited for the Dr. Fifth Mr. Men book that’s coming next year!
  • Erika is podcasting with her spouse:
    • Neither she nor Steven have watched the official DVD release of “The Underwater Menace”, so they get to do that together for Lazy Doctor Who!
    • They’ve started a spinoff podcast, In The Village, which covers The Prisoner!
  • Deb discovers Doctor Who Hamilton Crack!

Download or listen now (runtime 1:15:44) 

Comments on: "Episode 152 – Sweet Dream of Eden" (3)

  1. Your happy things this week are uncanny (not *that* Uncanny,which we also love, but really uncanny) – it’s as if you’ve been monitoring our household this week (and I’m pretty sure only Siri and Alexa are officially doing that).

    First, introducing kids to Spaced – only a week or so ago, my 12 yo informed me that he’s been rewatching it on his own and that ‘…it’s even better now, because I get all the jokes and know who everyone is’ (so Parenting Win there) – and the bits you mentioned this week have even more Doctor Who connections, since Bill Bailey has also been on, and Kevin Eldon (who played the other ‘Man in Black’ in that episode) did some stuff during the Interregnum. I’ll also plug here searching YouTube for Bill Bailey’s old sketch show, Is It Bill Bailey? (which often featured a very young Simon Pegg and Kevin Eldon, among many others) for one of his musical bits when he does the Doctor Who theme as Belgian jazz; it’s great stuff. I have fond memories of my Spaced fandom – I even had a t-shirt for the fan forums, which was pretty meta back then (though now my kid’s Spaced t-shirt game is stronger than mine).

    Then the Mr Men Doctor Who books – my 3 yo absolutely loves them, and you are all right on the money as to which are the good ones. She especially adores the 11th one with River Song, and I found the 2nd Doctor one locally here in Seattle over the weekend, which she also really liked.

    Also cannot wait to check out The Prisoner podcast – that’s another show I’ve been wanting to introduce the big kid to before he’s spoilered on the ending; plus, it will give him some other things to chat about with our good buddy Jesse Merlin at Gally, since Jesse is a lifelong Prisoner obsessive.

    Finally (and I know this got long), something totally tangential that the happy things reminded me of – the rebooted DuckTales with David Tennant has been an absolute joy. And while he’s certainly fantastic on it, so is Danny Pudi, and here’s where the other Doctor Who connection comes in. For those who aren’t already fans of Community, it should be noted that Danny Pudi’s character, Abed, is an obsessive fan of ‘Inspector Spacetime’ – while it’s worked through many episodes, the one where he attends the Inspector Spacetime convention to meet up with a character played by Matt Lucas is especially wonderful for Who nerds – definitely check out the whole thing.

  2. I love Nightmare of Eden. The moment where the Doctor and Romana jump into the projector is one of those bits which made quite an impression on me as a child. Love the Mandrills, never understood why people disliked them (although ideally they needed not to spend most of their time in brightly lit corridors). And Tom Baker’s “oh my everything” ad lib always made me laugh.

    The only bit of this story I don’t like is the portrayal of the effects of vraxoin – it comes across to me as bad acting & writing from the realms of drug education films made by people who have no idea how the drugs they’re critiquing actually work. It’s jarring and throws me out of the world created by the rest of the story. Fortunately there’s a lot to love elsewhere and I quickly get sucked back in.

  3. Sorry, but I just can’t back you up on this one. “The Nightmare of Eden” has always been one of my least favourites; however, I have always loved the Mandrels. I thought their design was clever and visually appealing, bell-bottoms and all. But everything else from the story, to the casting, to the performances, to the props and sets, to the costumes, and to the effects was a disappointment to me. I can forgive a lot when it comes to classic Who, but even as a child, I found this story to be…lacking.

    But ya know, it’s funny how people make fun of characters who are “The Tin Dog.” And characters like Mickey are mortified when they fit into that role. And yet, just look at how violently people will defend the beloved tin dog. The tin dogs really are the heart of the show, aren’t they? And when the production team gives us the WRONG tin dog, we get rather tetchy about it.

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